Podcast: How is physical AI moving into actual manufacturing?
Key Highlights
- Physical AI combines sensor data, reasoning and autonomous action to adjust manufacturing processes in real time and improve quality control.
- Manufacturers should build strong data infrastructure, capture process data and document operator expertise to train physical AI systems effectively.
- Additive manufacturing can use real-time sensor feedback to detect defects, manage thermal distortion and validate part quality beyond the CAD stage.
- Physical AI offers the greatest potential in high-mix manufacturing, helping automate complex tasks, address workforce shortages and support U.S. reshoring.
In the wide universe of artificial intelligence, Physical AI is a confluence of perception, reasoning, and execution - as Michael Kenworthy, CTO of VulcanForms helpfully explains. Physical AI builds on foundations like large language models (LLMs) and vision-language-action frameworks - and bridges internet text intelligence with physical robotics.
Now Physical AI is spreading out from the realm of automation and into more pragmatic applications. In this episode of Great Question: A Manufacturing Podcast, Kenworthy uses his insights in metal additive manufacturing to describe the potential for Physical AI, how it is maturing, how to prepare to apply it, and where to watch for its impact.
Below is an excerpt from the podcast:
Robert Brooks: Hello and welcome to a new installment of the Great Question podcast presented by Endeavor Business Media's Manufacturing Group. I'm Robert Brooks with American Machinist and Foundry Management & Technology. The subject of our discussion here is physical artificial intelligence, or physical AI. And this choice stems first from my curiosity after seeing some demos by robotics developers, but more specifically from an introduction to today's guest. He's Michael Kenworthy, the chief technology officer with VulcanForms. VulcanForms produces critical components for aerospace systems and medical implants and defense hardware using metal additive manufacturing and precision machining. And I'm confident that's the sort of manufacturing business that has a sense of how to proceed with physical AI. Michael, thank you for joining me today.
Michael Kenworthy: Glad to be here, it’s exciting.
RB: I want to discuss physical AI in a practical rather than in a conceptual way, but I'll start by putting it in a context that I think most of our listeners will understand, starting with our understanding of artificial intelligence, such as generative AI or agentic AI. From that, can you explain to us what we should understand about physical AI?
MK: So there's a lot of, I think, some core framing that's needed. Like, this term is relatively new. It really only appeared in the last year or 18 months. But effectively, what we mean when we talk about physical AI is we are perceiving the world through a set of sensors. So there's a perception layer. There's a reasoning layer, right? We need to sort of assess the sensor feedback and what is the right kind of course of action. And then actually execution layer, right, whatever the actuating mechanism is, different kinds of mechanical systems or other types of systems, how do we act? And so it's that combination of the three that makes this AI term an appropriate label for what we're talking about.
RB: Do you have a timeline? Can you tell us when and how it emerged?
MK: Yeah, I think it's really Jensen (Huang) at NVIDIA, of course, kind of almost pushed this into the mainstream, but it goes a little bit of the ways back into the foundation models, and people thinking about, okay, what is this combination of kind of the foundation AI models, what we think of as the large language models, the ChatGPT and the tools you probably are using to make your life a little easier already. And what is this sort of trend as it combines and collides with robotics and the ability to bring these essentially language or internet text models into the physical world. There was a lot of work around the 2023 time frame, the vision language action models. There was a bunch of work happening at Google, DeepMind and others. And effectively, that's the really exciting part is, how do we leverage these advanced language models and what I described as that sensor perception-reasoning-actuation loop to do some really interesting things here in the real world.
So that's kind of how it's proceeded. Like I said, it is relatively new. Of course, we think about the AI term broadly and how folks have kind of leveraged it. The label itself kind of confuses a lot of people like, oh, I used to do that. I used to do statistical, like I used to do programming and do these kind of feedback. What makes this different is that kind of ability for the system to act autonomously, which is kind of the scary part of this, right? And so, how is the engineer specifically programming a set of actions versus effectively programming and managing a set of behaviors and reactions? That's how it's emerged, and this is truly like frontier stuff, right? There are very few examples of folks that have deployed physical AI in the real world, but tying it back to what my company, Vulcan Forms, is doing and kind of my history in industry, it's been really through this additive manufacturing lens, which I think is really the most exciting opportunity in a lot of ways for what we talk about as physical AI.
RB: I'm glad you said that because I do want to get away from the conceptual discussion here and into the practical understanding of it. As we were talking earlier, I pointed out that I'm aware of how this is being played out by robotics developers. But could you untangle that for me, how the development is going on the robotic side, separate from on the manufacturing side, and especially for additive manufacturing, which is where your company is active?
MK: Absolutely. I think the core framing that we need to talk about and think about is most people, when we think about this, they immediately snap to sort of a robot, a humanoid robot most likely, or maybe a robot arm, versus sort of these industrial systems that might look a lot more like a box that might have a spindle in it, or in the case of 3D printing, the lasers and sort of motion systems for directing the progress of those lasers, whether it's a gantry-based or a galvo-based system, which VulcanForms does both.
But effectively, thinking about the term more broadly, really any system that can generate process data has this kind of intelligence layer of sensors monitoring the process, can actually become a physical AI opportunity. And so in the 3D printing world, what we call additive manufacturing in the metal side of things, it was born as a digital process, right? So these systems are highly exquisite, lasers interacting with fine powders, and it looks a little bit like black magic, right? We're making these metal objects, complex metal objects using literally lasers and powder in these boxes.
It was born from that as a purely digital technology. It's always been that. And then we've continuously evolved the technology and applied sensors and additional types of in situ monitoring tools to enhance the process. Being a relatively recent technology, it's had to survive a higher level of scrutiny, frankly, than legacy technologies have. If you think about castings and the quality that we accept in that industry, if we use that as the baseline for additive manufacturing, it's almost hard to make a bad part. But that's not the reality. We're being viewed through this lens of higher criticality, more regulated industries, things like medical components or aerospace, turbine engines. Of course, we want to apply the right regulatory and qualification frameworks to accepting the process for these types, whether it's a human safety factor or safety of flight type concern.
And so because of that, we've done a lot of work to make the process smarter. I mentioned this is like really frontier territory, like how do we close the loop on the process today? The process effectively runs open loop. We pre-program, we do a lot of simulation to figure out how the part's going to distort in the welding process. Of course, it's an intense thermal process, so there's distortion that we need to manage and other types of potential for defects. And so we continually have been kind of stacking more intelligence on top of these systems to assert control and unlock these critical applications. So when I talk about additive, I always think about it as one of the purest use cases and opportunities for physical AI, because we've already heavily instrumented these systems and we can act on that data in real time. So that's how we're applying it, yeah.
RB: It's fascinating. If I may go off road here for just a minute, for the listeners’ benefit, in additive manufacturing, all of the intelligence, all of the decisions are made in the CAD stage, right? And so are you suggesting that more decision making can be done beyond the CAD stage, in the production of the additive manufacturing part?
MK: That's exactly the change that we are driving here at VulcanForms, and I think where we see the broader unlock for the technology happening in industry. There continues to be a high level of scrutiny and questions about acceptance of the technology. We look at the Navy and the submarine industrial base and kind of how they're trying to embrace the technology. With these tools, I think we can actually demonstrate to them that not only is this an acceptable process, it's actually a superior process, right? Because we have unprecedented level of visibility and quality control that we can apply at almost an atom by atom level, if you will, but really voxel by voxel level, right? We are able to generate these thermal data, these other types of quality data, optical data, whatever it is, and combine those into this multi-sensor fusion look on the health of the process and give real-time feedback on, were we successful? Did we meet the gold standard product that we qualified, or where are we at in the process window? That's what's changing.
RB: Yeah, this is really fascinating. You're giving life to the phrase “design to part” which has been out there for a long time and always been a little bit beyond reach. Okay, so let's get much more practical. Are there ways that manufacturers can prepare themselves for this sort of development? What sort of steps or investments need to be made to make this more practical?
MK: I think it comes back to how you're already probably interfacing with the large language models for your sort of day-to-day business practices. Common usage is like, help me manage my e-mail, help me manage the crazy amount of Slack messages I'm getting and make sure I'm getting what needs to be done each day. How do you go from that to, how am I managing this exquisite process? And so I think people have started to lean into more of the agentic workflows. It's the human in the loop, but I don't necessarily need to make every little decision. Like, how do I train and build out these different agents to go execute, effectively execute my will, right, within these guidelines and this training data set?
These are data rich processes, but as an industry, there isn't this massive corpus of text data, right? Like the entire internet or libraries that these models have been able to get trained on. In the physical AI world, this data is more scarce, it's more precious. And we're also acting on, in the AM context, we're acting on a time scale that's very different, right? I might be willing to wait seconds or minutes or even hours for feedback from Claude or whatever tool you like to use. If I'm going to do real-time control in an AM process, I'm talking about microseconds, right? Generally, like 1 to 100 microsecond time scale in a laser powder bed context.
Wrestling with that, and how do you build your data infrastructure, it's more than just saying, I'm going to go and engage a consultant, we're going to figure out how to do this. You’ve really got to approach it bottoms up, build a team around it that understands that every bit of that data is absolutely precious. If you've got a physical asset on your shop floor and you're not capturing that data, then as Leo or Susan, one of our investors over at Eclipse puts it, that's a dead asset, right?
So I think really getting your digital infrastructure in place, creating the labeling schema, doing the data engineering, that's kind of the practical layer of how you're going to go harness all this rich data that is really just waiting to be tapped into and is necessary to go take these next steps because as I mentioned, we don't have that massive internet of data to rely on.
RB: Is the training of these tools comparable to training in agentic AI for large language models? How shall we perceive that?
MK: From a process standpoint, it is literally the same. We're talking about physical training. We're talking about sense data versus just a giant set of text, if you will. But leveraging those sorts of advanced statistics, you have to translate. Often what you have in a real shop, right, is this kind of hidden factory piece of, so-and-so operator’s been around for 30 years and he had some special tricks for how you do this process. How do we use these physical systems and these sensing and reasoning tools to basically build that same level of capability? It really just comes down to being disciplined about capturing all of that in a very structured data schema, and then applying that to whatever your practice is. If you're a hybrid AM organization or if you're just purely a subtractive CNC organization, you have the same opportunity to leverage physical AI to improve your business.
Beyond even just added manufacturing, like all the robotic post-processing, I wanted to embrace a broader definition, right, of really also these boxes. But, you know, when it comes to post-processing parts like support removal or finishing operations or coating and painting, that's where we're sort of back in the robotic arm world in a lot of the time. It really comes down to having a proactive deployment strategy and start simple, capture the data and then begin to think about how do I take action to enhance this process in some way based on what I've captured and what I've learned. Even just accelerating its application to a new part or a slightly different surface that I'm finishing or whatever it is, right, versus having each instance being a totally bespoke, like almost starting from scratch activity. Like, how much farther up the ladder can you get to accelerate your time to market? That's a fundamental value proposition of additive, is our ability to deploy the technology and give our customers what they need rapidly. So as kind of the analogy I was using, how far up the ladder can we get, the better off we're going to be having more responsive manufacturing, but particularly in the AM world.
RB: At the current stage of automation, are robotics devices sufficient to coordinate with these objectives? Or do we need more effective, more powerful, more sensitive actuators and so forth and sensors?
MK: I think the sensing is ahead of the actuation, is how I would put it. Camera systems in the case of AM processes, we're typically using near infrared cameras for the laser welding process, optical cameras, all of this technology is really immature. And whatever your process is, whether it's metal AM like myself or others, those things are very immature. You can go get pretty amazing off the shelf robotic arm solutions and automation deployed into your factory. I think where there's insufficiency is when it comes to more of that emerging humanoid robotic application where you're really trying to replicate more of a human set of actions versus a machine, like a CNC tool type scale of action. And so some of that like fine, tactile feedback where this comes more into play when we're talking about like, finishing parts, like you imagine like sanding or polishing parts and how good some humans are at doing that. How do you train that kind of data into robots?
There are companies out there doing exactly this kind of work and building intelligence around this to solve our workforce problems. Really at the end of the day, the way I kind of see the physical AI lens, the lens I'm looking through there is it's about reshoring. So how can we bring a lot of these manufacturing things that were very manual and skill based back to the US? It's through this mechanism and our ability to distill whatever that exquisite process or skill based process is into a trainable set of data to build that AI-based system to go solve that workforce problem.
RB: Yeah, it also fits with the people who have the vision of on-site manufacturing, everything very discrete and right at the location where it's needed. I know that's something of a military objective too. So tell me, where shall we look for the evidence of progress in physical AI? And would it be in discrete production like that or do you sense it more like high volume manufacturing, like aerospace engines or something like that where they have the capital to drive towards this?
MK: I think it's the industries where you have to deal with more variability. So fundamentally these high-mix discrete work situations, where fixed automation is amazing at certain things and certain processes, but the use case where this is going to be most valuable is some of those higher mix. When I say high mix, I don't necessarily mean low volume. I just mean like, hey, I've got a complex factory that's serving different industrial sectors. Often AM companies typically are wrestling with this. We don't do just medical or just a consumer good. or just engines, we're doing all of the above plus, a bunch of other random things or seemingly random products. We’ve got to build a technology stack that can be highly adaptive and embrace all of those different sector needs. At the end of the day, that's one of the core value propositions of additive. There's no design specific tooling involved, right? We essentially have these fungible assets that could step in solve whatever the manufacturing problem of the day is, whether that's at smaller scale, hundreds and thousands, or even up to what we're producing now is sort of in the tens of thousands to growing to hundreds of thousands of units a year and beyond, maybe even to the week and day time scales over the next couple of years as we scale.
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About the Author
Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks has been a business-to-business reporter, writer, editor, and columnist for more than 20 years, specializing in the primary metal and basic manufacturing industries. His work has covered a wide range of topics, including process technology, resource development, material selection, product design, workforce development, and industrial market strategies, among others. Currently, he specializes in subjects related to metal component and product design, development, and manufacturing — including castings, forgings, machined parts, and fabrications.
Brooks is a graduate of Kenyon College (B.A. English, Political Science) and Emory University (M.A. English.)


