Podcast: The warning signs of a broken reliability culture and how plant leaders can fix it
Key Highlights
- Unplanned emergency work erodes reliability by displacing planned maintenance and preventing best practices from taking hold.
- Cost-cutting that reduces preventive maintenance, lubrication, or PdM creates a short-term savings mindset, not reliability.
- Strong reliability cultures require leaders to connect maintenance actions to fewer failures and better plant performance.
- The fastest path to improvement is going to the shop floor, observing waste firsthand, and fixing simple planning gaps.
Joe Kuhn, CMRP, former plant manager, engineer, and global reliability consultant, is now president of Lean Driven Reliability LLC. He is the author of the book “Zero to Hero: How to Jumpstart Your Reliability Journey Given Today’s Business Challenges” and the creator of the Joe Kuhn YouTube Channel, which offers content on starting your reliability journey and achieving financial independence. In our monthly podcast miniseries, Ask a Plant Manager, Joe considers a commonplace scenario facing the industry and offers his advice, as well as actions that you can take to get on track tomorrow. In this episode, Joe discusses leadership habits that strengthen maintenance and reliability.
Below is an excerpt from the podcast:
AT: I hope our listeners know the deal by now, but I ask you questions about leadership, maintenance, reliability, or commonplace issues—anything I can really think of that people deal with in manufacturing facilities. And Joe is the one you're really here to listen to. He gives us his expert opinion. We do like to talk about controversial topics sometimes, so to speak, and things that everyone might not agree on, or things that manufacturing leaders maybe don't want to hear.
So Joe, today's question gets at something that doesn't always show up on a KPI dashboard, but absolutely shows up in performance over time. What behaviors or practices—or maybe lack thereof—destroy a maintenance culture when you walk out in a plant? What are the red flags that tell you this culture is broken?
JK: Great. Let me split that up into the two questions you asked. What behaviors destroy a culture? There are some big ones and there are some small ones.
The big ones are, I've got a couple of them on my mind. One is unplanned work, emergency work. This consumes an organization like a cancer, and you’ve got to figure out how to handle it. You come into work, you've got all these plans that you want to get done, planned work, you've got parts, you've got everything ready to go, some equipment breaks, and all of a sudden you drop everything, and it's the emergency of the day.
And you’ve got to figure out how you're going to handle emergencies. Some emergencies need to be fixed in the moment; some can be pushed out eight hours, 24 hours, 48 hours. But it's very common for production just to say, "Hey, this is broken. Fix it right now. Put all your resources on it." And what gets pushed out is the planned work. It's the number one thing that I've seen destroy your efforts to put in best practices.
The second thing is cost-cutting. It's when things may be going well, and then maintenance gets some direction from above that says you need to cut your costs this quarter, cut $500,000 out of your budget, or cut 10% from wherever you were going to be for the next quarter. Cut 10%, 15%, 20%—not focused on waste. This is stopping the PdM, stopping work on broken equipment, stopping lubrication. This is all the crazy stuff. ‘Hey, let's just cancel overtime. Cancel all overtime,’ regardless of the situation.
That is not a reliability culture. That's a cost-cutting culture.
Those are number one and number two. The third thing I'll say is active and consistent sponsorship by operations and maintenance. Yes, maintenance, but operations leadership and the plant manager—are they consistently talking about the planned work we're doing, the lubrication we're doing, the problem-solving we're doing, the successes that we're having? ‘This outage is important. We're going to have it, even though we're behind schedule. We're going to take that outage because it's important.’
That’s consistent sponsorship. This is not an email. It's not an email. This is active talking on the floor and in your meetings.
The next one—this is related, but I think it's important to separate it out—is management consistently, and this is my term, connecting the dots on what actions we're taking.
So, for example, say we were driving toward 100% lube compliance. Every single lubrication PM we're going to do for the next three months is going to take top priority. Well, management has to connect the dots. ‘Hey, we did that, and here's how many fewer pump failures we had. Here's how many fewer gearbox failures we had, or motor failures, whatever it happens to be.’
And here's why you have to connect the dots: if you don't have a failure, nobody knows about it. Nobody knows about the failures you're not having. So management has to keep telling people the scoreboard. What's going on? What are we seeing at a macro level?
The next thing I'll put in is a culture of accountability. Hey, if you said you were going to do a shaft alignment, did you do it? ‘You said you were going to have an outage on Wednesday for eight hours—did you have it, or was there an excuse?’ Was there an excuse? There's always an excuse to do the wrong thing. It's very easy.
The last thing I'll say is—I debated saying this first, but it just came up last—not having a go-and-see culture. People managed by KPIs in a conference room—it's catastrophic to a reliability effort.
You really have to go out and see the failures. You have to see and audit people doing PMs. You have to audit and see the precision work that people are doing. It's not that they're trying to do poor work. Are they rushed? Is that normally an eight-hour outage that you said they only have four hours for, and so they don't do the shaft alignment right?
Those are the big ones. And one thing I want to note right here is these are all management. These have nothing to do with the people.
So often, I walk into a plant, and management has judgments about the craftsmen—their lack of skill, their lack of work ethic. Maybe it's a union environment and they're having some struggles. But the big behaviors that destroy reliability culture are all management: not handling emergency work right, cost-cutting, lack of consistent sponsorship, not connecting the dots between the actions we're taking and the results, not driving accountability, and not being a go-and-see culture by the staff and management. It's all management.
So there you go. That's how you kill your reliability culture. Look in the mirror. It's all about you. There you go.
AT: What about any other red flags? You were talking about things that were missing. Are there things that you can see out there on the floor that stick out as red flags?
JK: Yeah, absolutely. That's part two of the question you asked. The first thing I notice—and these are comical things. I've been in like 42 plants now, and the first one is when my host, who is walking me around, tells me, ‘Today is an unusual day. This is an unusual day. It's normally not this chaotic.’
I always walk into plants when it's crazy. I always walk into plants on their worst day. So when I hear the host tell me that because of something I see or something we're doing, he goes, "Hey, this is an unusual day." Okay, that's a red flag. Every day has a special event happening.
Another thing is when I'm the only staff person out on the shop floor. When I go on the shop floor, if I don't run into planners, engineers, technical assistants, safety people—you don't have a culture of go-and-see, if I'm the only one on the shop floor.
I've actually done this test before. I've gone to a plant, and I'd walk around for eight hours, and I would say, "I saw three staff people out here in eight hours." And that's where the waste is. That's where the problems are: on the shop floor. They're not in a conference room by a KPI. So those are a couple things I see.
Another thing is housekeeping. If you walk into a maintenance shop and all the equipment is thrown on the floor, trash cans are overflowing—this isn't about cleaning up. This is about people being so pressured and pushed to get the emergency work done that they throw equipment on the ground, throw rags on the ground, and throw tools on the ground. So you can see there's a culture of chaos, instead of a culture of planning.
Another thing is tradespeople standing around. If I walk out to a job and there are five people assigned to the job, and one person is working—or zero people are working—and everybody's scratching their heads, did you plan that job? Most likely not. Why are there five people? Why aren't there two? And there's usually never a good reason for that.
Another one, I had a plant manager. These are real stories. A plant manager said, ‘Joe, I need help. All my maintenance workers do is drive around on scooters. They're just joyriding.’ And I said, ‘Okay.’
I went out there and observed, and I talked to them, and I observed, and I was out there a few days. Then I came back to this guy—his name was Hank—and I said, ‘Hank, do you know what they're doing? They're looking for parts. They're looking for tools. Those jobs aren't planned.’
What do you expect? If you tell them to change out a pump and they don't have the pump, they don't have the gasket material, they don't have a new coupling, they don't know how to lock and tag it out, what do they do? They have to go find those resources and get them. They may have to call somebody in to help. They may even go to the break room because they're waiting for a part to be expedited in from town.
Let's see. Production equipment not running—that's another telltale sign. If it's supposed to be running and it's not running, the hair on my head sticks up saying, "Something's going on here." If the equipment's not running, that's a sign.
Another big one for me—and this is a pet peeve—is I believe, and it's been wildly successful for me when I go into a plant, that operations leads reliability. Operations leads the maintenance planning meeting.
And I will go into a maintenance planning meeting at a plant, and there won't be a single operations person there. That tells me operations is not involved. They care, but it's more of a blaming culture toward maintenance than an ‘I own reliability, it's my equipment, I give up the outage, I prioritize resources’ culture. If maintenance is planning, who attends that meeting?
Another one that I notice, and this goes into the funny category. A lot of people have morning meetings, like a 9 o'clock morning meeting, to see what's going on and let people know the priorities of the day. How did we do yesterday? Any concerns with today?
If I attend that morning meeting, I do a shoe check. I check to see who's wearing street shoes and who's wearing their factory-floor shoes.
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Now, the accountant can wear street shoes. The HR person can. But most other people, the first thing they should do is go and see the real problems they had in the last couple shifts on the shop floor.
Some common things that are easy to see: if there's equipment leaking oil and there's a bunch of floor dry soaking up oil on the ground, production's behind schedule—all those kinds of things are signs that you've got a reliability problem.
But it's really people standing around, people in lunchrooms, too many people assigned to a job, and poor housekeeping. Those are the easy things to see when you walk into a plant and know you don't have a reliability culture.
And basically, with my experience, I can walk into any plant, not even see a person out there, and I can tell you how good their systems are just by looking at the equipment, the floor, and how the equipment sounds—things like that.
AT: You can see the culture of chaos, I think you called it. It actually sounds like my household. We're so busy. I just try to manage the chaos. But it's no good for a manufacturing facility. You don't want a culture of chaos.
I think you mentioned the street shoe test before. We called it the tennis shoe test because we're from the Midwest, so no one else is going to know what we're talking about there.
Just to circle back to where you started, I think the number two issues that you pointed out were too much unplanned work—not planning out the schedule well enough—and a cost-cutting culture.
And really, when you wrapped up that first part of the main point, I think you said that these were management issues.
JK: I'm telling you, if you're blaming the craftspeople, I've never seen that be accurate. Never. Maybe. I can always be surprised and amazed, but I've never seen that be the issue. It may be number 20, but it's not in the top five.
AT: Okay. Well, let's shift to recovery. Say someone is listening to this and realizing, "Yeah, that sounds a lot like our plant." Where do they begin? What are the practical steps to rebuild a strong maintenance culture, and what does it take to sustain that over the long term?
JK: Yeah, the first thing you always do—or at least what I always did, after I did it wrong for 15 years—is you go and see the waste on the factory floor.
The best practices for reliability and maintenance are known. They're known. Everybody's known them. We've known them for 40 years.
Okay, if you don't know what they are, just go into your AI platform, ChatGPT, whatever, and say, "What are the reliability and maintenance best practices?" and it'll list them out for you.
The problem is people are a little overwhelmed by that, and they don't know where to start. And if somebody asks me, ‘I don't know where to start my reliability journey,’ what they have screamed at me is, ‘I have not been on the shop floor.’
Every single reliability, quality, and maintenance best practice targets waste. If you're doing too much emergency work, you're not doing planned work, and the equipment is down—those are wastes. The equipment's not running, it's not running at speed, it's not running at quality. You've got maintenance people working at 10% wrench time. All those are waste.
So if you list all the best practices, 100% of them are targeting inefficiency and waste.
Okay, so the first thing you have to know is: What waste is in my plant? And the only way you can know that is to go out and see on the shop floor. You go out and you watch a job. And when I say watch a job, that's not walking by the job. This means going out there for it. I used to say eight hours, and I've backed off to like four hours.
You go out and you see a maintenance job being conducted, or you go out to a piece of equipment that's running. You sit with the operator for the whole shift and see what that person has to deal with during a shift, and you will be amazed.
You go watch a planned job be executed. You go watch an outage be executed. Go to a maintenance crew and follow them around the whole day. They won't be intimidated. You just go and tell them, ‘Hey guys, I want to walk a mile in your shoes. I want to see what waste, inefficiencies, parts problems, and tool problems you guys have. I just want to see, and I'm going to be a fly on the wall here. I may ask some questions, but I'm not going to give any direction. I'm not going to make any judgments about you guys.’
And once you've done that activity, you will know exactly what to do. You will know exactly what to do. There's so much low-hanging fruit.
This is an exercise I conducted in every plant that I went to over the last 10 years. I would go to them, and I'd sit down with their plant manager and leadership team, and we'd schedule observations for three days.
I'd train them on how to see waste on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, we'd go to the shop floor. Then on Thursday or Friday, we'd sit down and write out a list of things we could do in the next 30 days that were free. And they were overwhelmingly free actions we could take.
You'll see things like not having a forklift, not having the right parts, or the planner not verifying that it's the right pump or the right gearbox to install. Go find the packing material. You'll be shocked at all these simple things.
Production is not ready. The equipment was supposed to be down from 7 o'clock to 11 o'clock. Production gave it up at 9 o'clock, and then they asked for it back at 10:30. So maintenance gets three out of 10 steps done on their PM, and they close out the PM as done. "We'll try it again next month."
You see those things, and those are easy, easy, free fixes.
So that's where you start. If you're asking the question, "I don't know where to start," go out on the shop floor. That's 100% where you should get your action steps and your priorities for putting best practices in place.
AT: I think that's the answer to many of the questions that we ask here in terms of the first step. And I did ask you another one too, in terms of what it takes to sustain that long term. I think you answered part of that earlier in the podcast when you were talking about connecting the dots and the whole point about what happens to the failures that you prevent. No one really knows about that unless you're exposing it, bringing light to it, and showing people what reliability is actually saving. But is there anything else that you would throw in there in terms of sustaining it?
JK: Oh yeah. We talk about flavors of the month. It's easy to get a program like reliability and maintenance started. Sustaining it when other new priorities come at you is the hard thing. And that's why management needs to be consistent. They need to sponsor this consistently.
Creep is a big deal. So, hey, you do things 100% right today. Next week you're at 99%. The week after that you're at 98%. A year later, you're at 25%. You've got to audit. This means time on the shop floor.
As the plant manager, I scheduled four hours a week, every single week, on the shop floor for me. And that was just so I had that as a minimum. That's excluding any meetings that we had.
We had an expectation that after every meeting, if there was a safety meeting, at the end of that meeting everybody put on their hard hat and went out and verified a safety improvement that was put in place and talked to the operators. So we just developed that culture of go and see.
So, do you have that culture after all your meetings and built into your schedule in advance to be on the shop floor? Versus, ‘I'll try to get on the shop floor this week,’ or, ‘I'm on the shop floor all the time.’
Is that walking from one meeting to the next, or is that chalk-circle observation, which means at least four hours?
AT: Well, I think that was a great episode about culture, accountability, and really the actual behaviors that shape performance on the shop floor. So thanks, Joe, for joining us again.
JK: Yeah, this is a passionate subject for me, and it's something you develop an eye for. What's a reliability culture? It's a little bit hard to put into words, but I'm telling you, once you see it, it screams at you. And it starts with putting on your work boots.
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About the Author
Joe Kuhn
CMRP
Joe Kuhn, CMRP, former plant manager, engineer, and global reliability consultant, is now president of Lean Driven Reliability LLC. He is the author of the book “Zero to Hero: How to Jumpstart Your Reliability Journey Given Today’s Business Challenges” and the creator of the Joe Kuhn YouTube Channel, which offers content on creating a reliability culture as well as financial independence to help you retire early. Contact Joe Kuhn at [email protected].

Anna Townshend
managing editor
Anna Townshend has been a journalist and editor for almost 20 years. She joined Control Design and Plant Services as managing editor in June 2020. Previously, for more than 10 years, she was the editor of Marina Dock Age and International Dredging Review. In addition to writing and editing thousands of articles in her career, she has been an active speaker on industry panels and presentations, as well as host for the Tool Belt and Control Intelligence podcasts. Email her at [email protected].



