Podcast: Overcoming common blind spots in preventive maintenance programs
Key takeaways
- Lack of coordination in planned work is a major cause of wasted time and downtime.
- Wrench time losses steam from flawed systems, not technician performance.
- Operations must share ownership of reliability to achieve lasting plant success.
Joe Kuhn, CMRP, former plant manager, engineer, and global reliability consultant, is now president of Lean Driven Reliability LLC. He is the author of the book “Zero to Hero: How to Jumpstart Your Reliability Journey Given Today’s Business Challenges” and the creator of the Joe Kuhn YouTube Channel, which offers content on starting your reliability journey and achieving financial independence. In our monthly podcast miniseries, Ask a Plant Manager, Joe considers a commonplace scenario facing the industry and offers his advice, as well as actions that you can take to get on track tomorrow. In this episode, Joe discusses the importance of planned work coordination.
Below is an excerpt from the podcast:
PS: You bet. Okay, so one piece of advice that we get from you often is what you call, go and see, so go out on the plant four and actually do observation and see what's actually happening out there in your observations. And you assure everyone that you'll be amazed at what you find. So, in your experience, when you're out there, watching planned maintenance take place, watching the techs work, what are some of the most common blind spots that you see when it comes to PM programs at plants, and what do you think can be done about it?
JK: Yeah, great question. And so many experiences pop in my head when I get asked that question. One of the biggest things you'll see is a lack of coordination. And when I say that it's a lack of coordination, you have two maintenance techs trying to install a pump. They don't know where the pump is. They don't know where the packing material is. The equipment's still running, and operations needs it for another hour. The electrician didn't disconnect it yet, and they're not supposed to for two hours. And you're thinking, I thought this was a planned job. So lack of coordination is huge. And when you go and see it, it's actually so easy to fix. It doesn't cost any money. It's telling everybody, ‘Hey, this is a planned job. It's going to start at nine o'clock,’ and everybody needs to nod their head and say, ‘Hey, we're going to be prepared at nine o'clock.’
Here's a flash point for a lot of people, when I mentioned the term wrench time. Wrench time is the effective time of the mechanic or electrician. How often, how many minutes or hours during the day are they actually doing productive work, versus waiting for instruction, versus waiting for parts, trying to find parts, all that kind of stuff that gets in the way. Wrench time is, I found it never, and I'm using that term deliberately, never to be the problem of the employee doing the work. It's always the system that they're working in. If you go in with that mindset, you'll see all kinds of opportunity like this coordination one. Why can't we coordinate electrical with mechanical? Why can't we coordinate this outage with production? There's no good excuse for doing that. If you can't do it today, put it off to this afternoon, put it off the next shift, put it off the next week. But that coordination ends up driving down wrench time significantly, and it's a free thing to fix. You really don't have a good excuse for not coordinating well. You don't have a good excuse for that.
I like to give the analogy of the Indianapolis 500 when a car comes into the pit crew. The five guys that are changing the tires, putting in gas and adjusting this and that they don't just decide what to do when the car comes in. They all have it scripted out how they're going to do the work. So here’s a challenge for you: on one job next week, one job, let's do perfect coordination, just one next week, and let's all agree what that job is and how we can do it perfectly to create an experience for us all.
So coordination is number one, and I alluded to this already, but parts. You tell somebody to change out a pump, and it's guess or find where the part is, find where the coupling, if you need to put a new coupling on, go find it. Go find the key stock. Go find some packing material. Go find some shim stock, and you're thinking, ‘Oh my gosh. These guys are just on a hide and seek mission.’ So coordination of parts, one of the things you can do for that is you put in place a job kitter. You have every part for that job on a skid, verified by the planner. 100% of the parts, not just the pump, the coupling, the key stock, the shims, the packing, anything you need for that job, it is there.
Also, another thing you'll find is, and I’ve got to think of the right way to say this, because it was embarrassing, but the biggest waste that I've seen is too many people assigned to the job. There'll be a two person job, and there'll be three there, there'll be four. And I'm asking, ‘Well, why do you have three there?’ Well, you know, four years ago, when we did this job, it ended up being a bigger job than that than we thought. So we needed a third person there. So from four years ago to the end of time, we're just going to add an extra person to that job. Oh, and by the way, if it goes normally, it takes two hours, but it can go wrong, and we're measured by schedule efficiency. So it takes two hours for two people. So I'm going to schedule three people for four. That is extremely common, and look how easy that is to fix. Don't plan for the worst case. Plan for what you think it should take. Two people, two hours. If they get into the job and it looks like it's going to take longer, raise your hand. Ask the supervisor. This is going to take a little bit longer. Do you want to add resources? Do we want to tell production it's going to take longer. Planning for worst case manpower and duration of the PM or the rebuild is a cancer in organizations.
If 99 times out of 100 the job takes two hours, why are you planning it for four? Again, extremely simple fix. That's what I love about observation. Observation not only tells you where your waste is, but it identifies extremely simple, low cost and fast solutions that you can put in place on Monday.
The last thing I'll say that was shocking during observation and very common is incomplete work. So you, as a manager, you have a PM on a conveyor belt, and there are 12 steps to it. Rarely did I find all 12 steps being executed. For some reason, they only got 10 done. They got six done. They got pulled off the job. The planned work was supposed to take two hours. They pulled them off for an hour in the middle because the equipment was down over here that they told production they'd have the equipment back at 10 o'clock. So they only do six of the 12 tasks, turn it back in. Lo and behold, the equipment fails next week, next month, and then people may even decide to buy a new conveyor, because this conveyor is just not lasting like it should be. And all you see inside your CMMS is that all the PMs were conducted with precision and on time and they were complete. And the reality is very few of them are completed in their entirety.
And again, easy fix, easy fix. Okay, so those are some of the more common things I've seen when going out and seeing and it's shocking, so much so Anna, when I would organize one of these events with the leadership team to let's see reality, what's going on in our plant. I would have to upfront, ask for their commitment that we're going to go out and do an observation for eight hours tomorrow. Upfront, I asked them to commit to not saying today is the worst day I've ever seen at our plant. And then guess what? The next day you're not allowed to say, this is the second worst day I've ever seen at our plant, because that's what always happened. They always said, I've never seen it this bad. This can't be normal. The problem is they're not taking the time to see the waste. They're not seeing the waste. And I listed, there are some of the common ones.
PS: Okay, in terms of incomplete work. What's really the solution for that? Obviously, you want your technicians to do the work, complete it, log it properly. But are you double checking that? Is that just a culture change to get them to do it without a double check?
JK: Well, there's always a reason why it's incomplete. It's not that the employee, the technician, remember, I think I said that it's never the employee's fault. If there are 12 steps and takes two hours. Well, if you're standing there watching them, you'll see that those two mechanics got pulled off to do some other work on another piece of equipment. Came back, and then they're told by the supervisor, you got to finish this in the next 30 minutes. Well, they got an hour and a half's worth of work, and they got to finish it in 30 minutes. So what they do is they do a couple things, and then they button it up and say, I think this will be okay. And then they mark the work order as complete. So one, you really and this is going to sound crazy to you, if you're in a reactive culture, you’ve got to protect planned work. You’ve got to protect plan work. The only way that you're not going to have tomorrow's emergency work is by doing the planned work today. So you’ve got to protect it.What I did, and this was simple, very simple. And I'm thinking of a time when I was a plant manager. I said, if you're going to pull people off planned work, you have to call me and ask for permission. And I was three levels up, put in that rule. Guess how many phone calls I got? Zero, zero phone calls. They thought of another way. And then once we started executing the PMs with precision and in their entirety, guess what happened? Four, five, six months later, we went from, these are literal numbers, 500 emergency calls in a month that dropped to 400, 300, 200, 100. All because we were doing the planned work. You've got to figure out a way to do your planned work with efficiency, with completeness, with precision. And all the solutions that I found didn't cost any money. They were just management issues.
PS: And in terms of the lack of coordination issue, I think it'd be really easy to blame that or pin that on the planners and the schedulers. Well, they didn't plan it right, and they put too many people on there, and it wasn't kitted right. And while that may be true, I think what you were also highlighting is the relationship between the two and the communication that has to take place in order for the planners and the schedulers to understand jobs properly, to get techs what they need. They have to communicate that and work with them on that.
JK: Right. A fundamental job of the planner, planners in my organization, was to anticipate wrench time detractors. Their job was to anticipate what can go wrong, and how do you countermeasure that. That can be with a conversation. The other thing that I did that was very important, and I know we've talked about this before, Anna, was operations owning reliability, and that's just so important. Use that example, if you’ve got the piece of equipment down. You said it was going to be down for two hours. Production is just yelling and screaming. I want that back at 10 o'clock. I want that back at 10 o'clock. But if they owned reliability, they may say, I could take that at 10:30, if you get the whole PM done, because I'm going to get the benefit of that going forward. I won't have the unplanned downtime. If you have maintenance and engineering owning reliability, and you have production, just owning production, and they want to run, run, run, run, run, there's a conflict. And production will always want, ‘hey, that four hour PM, I got these customer orders. I want you to cut that down to two.’ Well, that's a good short term decision that you may pay 10 hours for a month from now. So getting operations to own reliability is fundamental to having great coordination, great efficiency on the job, and precision and completeness of the job, getting operations on board. So there's just a great example why operations has to own reliability, has to.
PS: Yes, we have a whole episode on that. You can go back and listen to it if you want to, but it was a popular one. It's a good one to listen to. Alright, well, we're going to switch gears a little bit, and we're going to stay in the career world, but we're going to leave reality here for a second. And Joe, if you weren't in your current career path, what else do you think you would have enjoyed doing?
JK: Yeah, great question, and I've actually thought about this quite a bit in my life, and I loved my career. It was hard being in maintenance and in production and in manufacturing in the United States, it's tough, and I'm realizing in retirement, my job was tougher than most people. I didn't realize that while I was working. But, and this is going to hit you off guard, okay, Anna, you're just going to fall out of your seat. I wouldn't want to change my career, but if I had a do over, say, I just want to do something different, I would join the military and stay in for 30 years. I just respect what those people do. They're doing great work. They're doing meaningful work. And I think the leadership, I would want to go in the leadership, go in the officer ranks. I'm not sure whether it would be army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, I don't know, but just the impact those people have on and the service they give, I think, is just off the scale for me, I cherished my career, and it allowed me to raise four kids, four great kids. Have great family life. Retire early. I just I don't have any negatives about my career, but I would love the opportunity to be amongst the best leaders and the most important work to be in the military.
PS: Well, that's a good one. I have a lot of family members in the military and some friends who have made careers out of that, so that's good and interestingly, we find a lot of folks in manufacturing that start in the military, then retire and find their way into manufacturing as well. That's an interesting career choice. So that's a good one. Mine is, well this makes me feel not quite as good about mine, because yours is so honorable. But this one was easy for me, and I would have gone to law school and become a lawyer. Sometimes I think like, man, should I have done that instead? It's something I thought about, and I really was thinking about that as an undergraduate. Do I go to law school? Do I go to grad school for writing? And I chose the other one, but I think it would have been a good lawyer. And I always joke with my family, I love Law and Order. I've seen every episode of all the versions, so my joke is that I've seen enough that I could hold my own in a courtroom. And honestly, if anyone in my family ever needs an unofficial private investigator for any matter they always know to call me. And I guess that's somewhat of a journalistic instinct too, but I'm proud of you. You want to go into the military, I'll just be a sleazy lawyer.
JK: Hey, every profession is needed. But my dad was a Marine, or is a Marine, I guess is how the Marines like to say it. You're always a Marine. And I just, I value what they do and how they do it, and how they personally conduct themselves and their discipline and lot of admiration there.
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About the Author
Joe Kuhn
CMRP
Joe Kuhn, CMRP, former plant manager, engineer, and global reliability consultant, is now president of Lean Driven Reliability LLC. He is the author of the book “Zero to Hero: How to Jumpstart Your Reliability Journey Given Today’s Business Challenges” and the creator of the Joe Kuhn YouTube Channel, which offers content on creating a reliability culture as well as financial independence to help you retire early. Contact Joe Kuhn at [email protected].

Anna Townshend
managing editor
Anna Townshend has been a journalist and editor for almost 20 years. She joined Control Design and Plant Services as managing editor in June 2020. Previously, for more than 10 years, she was the editor of Marina Dock Age and International Dredging Review. In addition to writing and editing thousands of articles in her career, she has been an active speaker on industry panels and presentations, as well as host for the Tool Belt and Control Intelligence podcasts. Email her at [email protected].