Podcast: How smart manufacturers use 5G, robots and MES
Key Highlights
- Private 5G networks improve mobility, device density, and data reliability, enabling smarter, more connected factory operations.
- Custom MES development can boost process visibility and flexibility, but requires strong ownership of updates and user feedback.
- Brownfield redevelopment can accelerate manufacturing growth while creating jobs, strengthening communities, and maximizing existing assets.
- Successful automation balances technology and economics, using AMRs, AGVs, and robotics where they deliver measurable value.
For IndustryWeek’s Smart Manufacturers video series, Senior Editor for Technology Dennis Scimeca visited four different plants to inquire about a specific technology deployment at each. He spoke 5G with John Deere, talked MES development with Hexagon Manufacturing Intelligence, discussed brownfield sites and corporate responsibility with battery manufacturer Viridi and dodged a fleet of robots on the shop floor of an LG plant. This week's podcast episode looks at the series as a whole, and shares key insights gleaned from each video.
Below is an excerpt from the podcast:
Dennis Scimeca: Today I have taken over the Great Question podcast for some shameless self-promotion of our Smart Manufacturers video series. I sincerely hope everyone takes a look at the four episodes. They range between 5 and 10 minutes each and covered private 5G networks, MES development, brownfield redevelopment and social responsibility, and what happens when automated guided vehicles or AGVs and autonomous mobile robots or AMRs pretty much take over your shop floor.
The first episode covered John Deere's private cellular 5G network that builds off a long history of Deere prioritizing connectivity in its plants. This is Jason Wallin, chief architect at John Deere.
Jason Wallin: When we think about networking historically inside the John Deere plant, there had always been some connectivity, dating back to the 90s, of connectivity between the PLCs and the systems that they needed to connect to, to make very tactical decisions. But based on that, we also knew that we needed more strategic insights and needed more data to be able to collect that. That led to the advanced networking that we see today in our manufacturing environments.
DS: During our conversation with Wallin, we had a concise and excellent rundown about the advantages and disadvantages of networking plants via WiFi.
JW: You know, what is the advantage of using WiFi in networks versus using traditional wired Ethernet? There are really a couple big advantages that I see in using the WiFi over some of the existing Ethernet that we have inside manufacturing plants.
The first one is the cost associated with the Ethernet is very, very expensive. Secondly, it is very, very inflexible, meaning you can't move it 10 feet to its next location without disassembling that cable. and then installing new cable to be able to support that run.
Sometimes we've found in the manufacturing environment that that can take weeks or even months to be able to schedule that delivery of those new network drops. Wi-Fi gives you that flexibility to do that.
But there are some downsides to WiFi as well, meaning that things that move around the shop floor do not transition from access point to access point very seamlessly. We see a big change in latency between devices there or instability. We also know that the density that WiFi can support is not as great as what we can support with the Ethernet technologies.
DS: So how did switching to 5G allow Deere to address these issues?
JW: Why upgrade to 5G technology? I think in our case, there are very good business reasons to be able to do that.
The first is things that move around the shop floor require that ability to hand off very, very cleanly. Cellular and private 5G give us that opportunity to manage that connection between those devices that moves about the shop floor with a very, very repeatable latency. That's just because of the technology and the algorithms that are built into the protocol and the make before break transition technology that doesn't exist in the WiFi. So that was a very clear case to do that.
In addition to that, it is also very, very important that we be able to support a high level of density. And in a traditional WiFi access point, we can support about 50 devices effectively. In our microcells, we're able to support 800 devices, and we can support several thousand devices in our small cells that we have connectivity.
DS: Now I find all of that very interesting, but what I found most interesting were the workforce challenges Deere had to face in order to get their 5G network up and running. What do you do when you can't hire the workforce you need to make a tech deployment possible when the labor pool doesn't offer the skill sets you need?
JW: We think about the skill sets that it takes to manage these types of networks in a manufacturing environment, that's a strong understanding of a manufacturing OT environment. It's an enterprise networking focus in how we think about segmentation and division, and then also how we manage the cellular networks.
That is an almost impossible skill set to find. So because of that, we really found folks that had two out of those three, and then we upskilled them in the final area that they had to be able to build well-rounded individuals that understood all three levels of those expertise. And that's kind of how we dealt with that. That's how we dealt with the fear of the unknown in running our own cellular networks.
DS: So in the end, what did John Deere get for all its trouble? Quite a lot, literally, if we’re talking about data.
Speaking of data, our second episode covered Hexagon Manufacturing Intelligence's custom Manufacturing Execution System, or MES, as deployed at Hexagon's plant in North Kingstown, Rhode Island, where we shot the episode. And the first questions we wanted to tackle were why anyone needs an MES in the first place and how Hexagon built its own. This is Steve Ilmrud, Vice President at Hexagon Manufacturing Intelligence.
SI: As Industry has progressed and technology has developed there's so much more data available today. It is much more important to have something like an MES that goes out and captures that data, presents it to you in a way that you can action the information.
A small group of engineers were working in our facility in Germany, and they were developing some software that did automation of data, so moving data from one place to another in our systems. And that became the kernel for what is now our MES today.
DS: MES can get expensive with licenses and updates and customizations. So I was curious how much it costs Hexagon to develop its own software.
SI: By developing our own MES, we, of course, have the upfront cost of having to have a programmer and having the cost of implementation and development. And there are hard costs of the actual developers and soft costs of your workforce, learning the software, learning how to use a system.
But once those costs are done, those sunk costs are in place, you now are not being held hostage to having to add licenses for every person you add to the system. You've got much better control of your costs going into the future.
DS: I also spoke with Ted Coppa, director of business operations at Hexagon Manufacturing Intelligence, about how constructing your own MES lets you remain agile and expand.
TC: Flexibility is a huge piece in being able to grow into it. But also, if you think you have a best-in-class process or a best-in-class product, is there a likelihood that something off the shelf is going to fit how you do it?
I don't really think so. I mean, could you shape yourself to somebody else's process? Yes, you most certainly can. But do you want to? Or do you want to build around what's already great about your organization?
DS: What I most strongly took away from this story first was something Ilmrud said about the necessary precursor steps to developing an MES and why you get something out of preparing to adopt the software even if you don't go ahead and implement it.
SI: We had to really understand our processes extremely well. In addition to having the benefit of having the MES in place when you're done, you have now gone through a journey where you've looked at your processes so deeply that you've made improvements.
So that in itself makes you more efficient, right? The tool will, in the future, continue to allow you to make changes, but the initial impact of getting into your processes, making improvements, is something that anybody can do, with or without an MES system, and is a very valuable exercise.
DS: The second big takeaway for me was the risk of developing your own software, because then you're on the hook for customizations. You can't lay anything on a vendor's update schedule, or priorities.
TC: Did we have to be more sensitive to feedback because we built our MES versus had we purchased one? I think we had to be more responsive. I think you always have to be sensitive to feedback and understanding what that is.
The difference is when you purchase something, it's a lot easier to say, well, I can't affect that, or it's something else, whereas also a pro and a con is that the answer is “I can affect this. We can do something about it. We're the owner of it.” So I think the sensitivity is the same, but you own the responsibility and the action more so, which makes it more challenging.
DS: Our third episode was the most unique because in addition to making a strong argument for renovating brownfield sites rather than building new ones, it also made a statement about manufacturers' ability to uplift communities by choosing the right location.
First I spoke with John Williams, CEO at battery manufacturer Viridi, about why he built Viridi’s first battery plant in East Buffalo, New York, in an old General Motors facility built in 1923.
JW: And the misnomer to brownfields are is that because they're complicated, people think it takes longer to develop. It's not true. In any greenfield site in any state in the nation, you have to go through some type of environmental review for that site. And typically the time frame for an environmental review for a significant project is no different than the time frame to clean and clear an environmental project on a brownfield site.
It's more complicated on the front side, but the benefits will last 100 years. I mean, this is a 42-acre campus that would have been vacant. It has sewers, it has gas lines, it has power lines, it has paving. It's surrounded by city streets. I have a police department down the street, I have a fire department on the other block. I have a community center, I have schools, I have churches. All of those community assets now have more usage because you have a couple hundred people working on this site and hopefully becomes a couple thousand.
DS: When Williams talks about cells in the following clip, he means the equivalent of AA batteries, roughly the same dimensions. And the modules he talks about are like sleeves for cells that act together as a single module for energy storage.
JW: So we bought cells from LG. We shipped cells to a company called Texum. Texum took the cells, put them into a module, welded them together, put them in a shipping container, and sent them to us. And then we would take those modules, and then 270 would go into a pack.
So up until a year ago, downstairs, there were platform tables with people building packs out of pre-assembled modules. and it would take us about 40 labor hours to build a pack.
DS: Thanks to a pair of automation systems installed at the plant, Viridi can now produce a pack every 20 minutes.
I also spoke with Jeff Conrad, executive director of Green Force, an organization co-founded by Williams that provides social services aimed at readying new employees for the manufacturing sector.
JC: John is a good friend and we were working on several ways that we could assist individuals in underserved communities enter into the workforce. And as John was building Viridi, he knew he had to build a workforce that would help him build his new battery packs. And he wanted it to be specific to working with the neighborhoods surrounding the plant.
DS: Viridi at the time reported the story last fall had achieved an 80% retention rate. Conrad explained why he thought Viridi achieved its goal so quickly.
JC: We had people standing in line waiting to apply. I think there's two reasons for that. I think there's one, the first reason was the pastors and their influence within the community. But I also feel that Viridi is really located in a place where people want to work, but they also want to work in their neighborhood.
We have so many manufacturers in Western New York that are outside and maybe two, three buses away from this community. And so this was something new where they could literally walk to work.
DS: Some of Viridi’s employees will take to manufacturing quickly and begin eyeing more competitive salaries elsewhere if they're willing to take those two or three buses Conrad spoke about, maybe? Williams is aware and considers that also success.
JW: But we've also had probably, and Jeff can give you the actual number, but I'd say somewhere between 10 and 12 who came in completely underskilled, did an incredible job, like just bright and capable and really had a individual skill set for this type of work and went on and got way more money than we were going to pay them.
And in those instances, we're their biggest cheerleaders. And we tell it to everybody that walks in the door, look at this. is a place for you to start. If we can be a place where you stay, it's a win-win. But if there's a better economic opportunity for you and your family, it's okay. Just refer in two or three more people and keep it rolling.
DS: Our fourth and for now final episode concerns an LG plant in Clarksville, Illinois, designated a lighthouse plant by the World Economic Forum. I love lighthouse plants because they are always guaranteed to yield up something really cool.
There are many more automation systems installed at the vertically integrated washer and dryer plant than just automated guided vehicles, or AGVs, and autonomous mobile robots, or AMRs. But it's the robots and AGVs that dominate the shop floor, and it's very cool. This is Charles Lonergan, manufacturing manager at the Clarksville plant.
CL: Well, I would say the most transformative technology that we applied at this factory would be our AGV and AMRs. We operate at a very fast rate. Our dryers operate at 11 seconds, our washing machines at 13 seconds. So we need very little lead time of moving material from one location to the other. Utilizing our AGVs and our AMRs allow us to move that material seamlessly throughout with very little idle time or loss at our production processes.
DS: The Clarksville plant is slowly replacing its AGVs with the more advanced AMRs and I asked Lonergan why.
CL: So our AMRs, they have the ability to not have to utilize a QR code or some kind of directional device for those AMRs to move through our factory. Utilizing those LIDAR sensors, we can gain paths and we can be able to divert to different locations. It's not so much a one-directional movement at all times.
AMRs have a slight speed increase compared to AGVs. So you would expect those AMRs to be able to achieve that lead time from one location to the next, more consistent than you would see in an AGV. The error rates is one of the concerns you always have. You want to reduce the error rates. That way you've got the right product coming at the right time. So utilizing the AMRs and the LIDAR sensors and being able to have different directional control, you would be able to reduce those losses that you currently see in an AGV.
DS: In order to better support its AMRs, the Clarksville plant is slowly expanding its 5G network.
CL: There's different use cases for each one of the connectivity processes. For our AGVs, for example, and our AMRs, they're moving throughout our factory. So the handoff between each connection point is very important to make sure we don't have any data loss, transfer loss when it's moving throughout the factory. So those ones right there, we absolutely need to be able to use our 5G network to reduce that loss in productivity.
DS: As I said before, there was plenty of automation at the Clarksville plant besides AGVs and AMRs, including a complex conveyor system, traditional robot arms, vision systems, and automatic welding.
Even with so much automation technology in hand, Lonergan made the important point that knowing what not to automate is just as important as knowing which technologies to apply.
CL: When you think of automation, you think of how can you reduce either your labor cost or increase your work efficiency or reduce your loss. So for us, when we're looking at applications like our harnesses. Those are very loose connection points. I've got to grab in one hand one, grab in another one and connect those. Those technologies to develop those wouldn't be cost effective in order to either reduce our labor costs or increase our efficiency.
DS: That's it for today's podcast. I'd like to thank everyone for hanging in until the end and sincerely hope this inspires you to take a look at the video series because there's a ton of content we couldn't talk about today in this clip show.
And please do leave us your feedback on the series and let you know if you want more of this program. As always, we aim to please. I'm Dennis Scimeca, senior editor for technology at Industry Week, and this has been the Great Question Podcast.
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Great Question: A Manufacturing Podcast offers news and information for the people who make, store and move things and those who manage and maintain the facilities where that work gets done. Manufacturers from chemical producers to automakers to machine shops can listen for critical insights into the technologies, economic conditions and best practices that can influence how to best run facilities to reach operational excellence.
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About the Author
Dennis Scimeca
Dennis Scimeca is a veteran technology journalist with particular experience in vision system technology, machine learning/artificial intelligence, and augmented/mixed/virtual reality (XR), with bylines in consumer, developer, and B2B outlets. At IndustryWeek, he covers the competitive advantages gained by manufacturers that deploy proven technologies. If you would like to share your story with IndustryWeek, please contact Dennis at [email protected].


